约翰·伯格对话苏珊·桑塔格——讲故事 Voices

桑塔格一直在把话题引向其他方面，用其他领域的结论返回来证明自己的观点。老爷子口才不太好，一直被桑塔格带着节奏。

BBC4 Voices

哈哈哈哈，完全在谈不同范畴的东西，都蛮「正确／基础」的。也没什么启发Sontag: flaubert in madame bovary describing, charles looking at the back of her neck, for instance…we look for the angular or the eccentric detail as illustrating what? as illustrating the story or as having, in fact, i think, some kind of autonomy, some sort of independent sensual effect, which is what we're looking

这也有吗hhhhhh 补个五星

两个人真的好不同，但都很投入在聊，明明想看Berger，但完全被桑塔格吸引，清晰、坚定、诚恳，太有魅力了。